Thomas Howard
Abt 1740 - Abt 1810 (70 years)
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Name Thomas Howard [1, 2] Birth Abt 1740 St. Mary's County, MD 
Gender Male Death Abt 16 Jul 1810 Bardstown, Nelson County, Kentucky Person ID I5169 1665 GOUGH/GOFF (US-MD-STM/US-VA-LOU) I-Y6902-A Last Modified 20 Oct 2023
Family Anne Gough, b. 1743, St. Mary's County, MD d. Aft 19 Aug 1833, Nelson County, Kentucky (Age > 90 years)
Family ID F1692 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 20 Oct 2023
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Notes - Jerry L. Clark wrote:
Dear List,
I just learned that this Thomas Howard married Ann Gough, can anyone tell me her parents and siblings?
Nelson Co Will Book 1785-1820 Pg 209: Will of Thomas Howard. W: 28 May 1810, P: 16 July 1810 Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece Mary Cissell, some stock and furniture. A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: Wife Ann Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts and Valin Hefner. Jerry L. Clark
Nelson Co Wills1785-1820, pg 2:
Book 1, p 39 Appraisal of estate of Thomas Hward by Joshua Furgason, Jame Allen, John Bland. Included L421 personal bonds, total L582 5sh. Returned to court 12 Mar 1788.
pg 48: Willd book pg 242 Inventory of the personal estate of Thomas Howard, decd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin 24 Nov 1810. (Edward Montgomery???)
Nelson Co Will Book 1785-1820 Pg 209
Will of Thomas Howard. W: 28 May 1810, P: 16 July 1810
Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece Mary Cissell, some stock and furniture. A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: Wife Ann Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts and Valin Hefner
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The Henry Burch above cannot be the Henry Burch below. Thomas Howard died abt 1810 the Henry Burch you have below was born 1810.
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I suspect Walter Burch had a Brother named Henry Burch. No way I can know without Burch Data.
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Henry Burch Sr. b. 1810 Nelson Co. KY
Elizabeth Manning b. 1812
Jerry L. Clark wrote:
>Ernie,
>
>Edward Howard brother of John Baptist Howard died before him I do believe.
>Edward Howard had one son named Thomas Howard born 1740 who married Ann
>Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Howard.
>
>Now if Edward Howard had a son Thomas Howard born 1740, then Edward Howard
>would have been born about 1720, and his father in the 1700's.
>
>althogh many people have claimed Edward Howard was a brother of John Baptist
>Howard the span in years of Edward Howard to John Baptist Howard is two far
>apart, and would make John Baptist Howard's father far to old, if born abt
>1700 to have son Edward Howard born 1720, so he in turn could have a son
>Thomas Howard born 1740 who died 1810.
>
>Edward Howard died years before his son Thomas Howard who died 1810.
>
>So not sure which edward Howard your refering to who died 1831, but it was
>not the Edward Howard who is supposed to be brother of John Baptist Howard.
>
>I Think Edward Howard is likely an Uncle of John Baptist Howard rather than
>a brother. Can't bring myself to believe John Baptist Howard's father was
>born 1700 or so. maybe 1720's, but then that would rule out Edward Howard
>being John Baptist Howard's brother.
>
>Somebody has claimed this relationship, but I so far have not seen the
>proof.
>
Jerry L. Clark wrote:
>Mary,
>
>
>This is when it gets confusing, There was a Thomas Howard son of Edward
>Howard who came from St. Mary's Maryland. This Thomas Howard married Ann
>Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. This Thomas Howard was
>born abt 1740 and died about 1810 in Nelson County, KY.
>
Jerry L. Clark
>Dear List,
>
>I was examining this will of Thomas Howard who married Ann Gough daughter of
>Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. I noticed something that I have never paid
>attention to. I'm always trying to figure out who this Mary Cissell was he
>mentions in his will, but the real thing I should have noticed was he calls
>this Mary Cissell his Niece.
>
>
>Now Somewhere If I remember Correctly in the history of St. Thomas Church when it discusses Edward Howard does it every say Thomas Howard was his only son?
>
>If Edward Howard had other sons any children they had would be Nieces and
>Nephews of Thomas Howard, but they would all carry the name Howard, but If
>Thomas Howard had sisters then his Nieces and Nephews of his Sister or
>Sisters, would carry the Surname of who they Married.
>
>What I never noticed before is that Mary Cissell is the Niece of Thomas
>Howard, which means that Thomas Howard had a Sister (don't know her name)
>who married a ? Cissell, and they had a daughter Mary Cissell. Anybody got
>any idea of a possibility of a female ? Howard who married a ? Cissell?
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>No wonder the Cissell Family has close ties to Howard Family.
>
>
>I then got this idea to look at James Vessells and temperance Tippets and
>their Children:
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>Mary Vessells married Jeremiah Cissell son of John Baptist Cissell and
>Rebecca ?
>
>Charles Vessells married Catherine Howard daughter of James Howard a Mary
>Jackson. James Howard is supposed to be a brother to Edward Howard whose son
>Thomas Howard (has a Mary Cissell for a niece)
>
>
>William Vessells married Elizabeth "Betsy" Mills (anyone know her parents)
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>Thomas Vessells (don't know if or who he married)
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>James Vessells married Eleanor Mattingly daughter of Joseph f. Mattingly and
>Hessina Hinton.
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>Benjamin Vessells ann Drury(does anyone know her parents)
>
>John Vessells married Mary Peterson daughter of Henry Peterson and Olivia
>Smock her brother Henry Smock was either a witness on will of John Baptist
>Howard or his brother James Howard who married Mary Jackson.
>
>Elijah Vessells married Catherine Forrest (can anyone tell me her parents?)
>was she related to Thomas Forrest who married Mary "Mollie" Howard daughter
>of James Howard and Mary Jackson. I believe that James Vessells his father
>was also a witness on will of James Howard who died 1803 in Washington
>County, KY
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>Susanna Vessells married John Oard
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>Elizabeth Vessells married William Lampkin
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>
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>pg 47; Will book 209. Will of Thomas Howard. Wife Ann, negroes, plantation
>and stock. Niece Mary Cissell, some stock and furniture.
>A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: wife Ann.
>Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts & Valin Hefner. Written
>28 May 1810, prob 16 Jul 1810.
>
>Rest of the listings for Thomas Howard- Will Abstracts 1785-1820, Nelson Co
>Genealogists:
>
>same source, pg 48 ; Will Book pg 242: Inventory of personal estate of
>Thomas Howard, dec'd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin. 24 Nov
>1810.
>
>same source-pg 77: 2 listings for Howard:
>pg 420: Appraisal of the personal estate of William Howard, dec'd,
> by Thomas Linthicum, Thomas Lewis, Cyrus Talbot & Joseph
> Ferguson. Ordered Dec 1815. Total $864.37 1/2 + 18 negroes
> valued at $5770.
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>
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>I then started to study which Cissells had daughters named Mary. John
>Baptist Cissell and 2nd wife Ann ? had a daughter Mary Cissell and she
>married Charles Howard son of John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson,
>
>But I don't think Thomas Howard was referring to that Mary Cissell as his
>Niece, because She was already married to Charles Howard by the time his
>will was probated, unless he made his will before date of Marriage of Mary
>Cissell to Charles Howard.
>
>Peter Cissell married an Eleanor ? they had a daughter Mary Cissell who
>married John Hanson Burch on 14 Sept 1811 in Nelson County, Ky
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>This is after date that Thomas Howard's will was Probated. Is this The Mary
>Cissell Thomas Howard was Referring to in his will?
>
>If so we know this Mary Cissell came to Nelson County, KY because John
>Hanson Burch did Also.
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>Remember that John Hanson Burch had a sister Priscilla Burch who married
>Valentine Hefner a witness on will of Thomas Howard. His brother Alexander "
>Sandy" Burch married Eleanor Cissell daughter of Peter Cissell and Eleanor
>?(who I believe was Thomas Howard's Sister)
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>Burch Family are Witnesses on will I Believe of John Baptist Howard.
>
>So I present a new thought, Could it be that Eleanor ? wife of Peter Cissell
>was a Howard by maiden name? was she the daughter of Edward Howard, and the
>sister of Thomas Howard who died in 1810 in Nelson County, KY.
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>Please tell me is there a possibility?
>
>I think I'm on to something.
>
- Jerry L. Clark wrote:
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